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The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL

League-altering moves, GMing an expansion team, the end of bad quarterbacks, and more from the TAFS mailbag

The Athletic Football Show: A show about the NFL

The Athletic

Sports, Nfl, Robert Mays, Nfl Draft, Football, Football,

4.63.3K Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

The mailbag shifts to Wednesday this week, but it's still chock full of great questions from all of you out there. Robert Mays and Derrik Klassen consider each of the following: What are the most consequential league-altering moves of the last 10 years? Which failed head coach was hurt most by his quarterback situation? Could we soon be in a world without bad quarterbacks? Find out the guys answers to those questions, and many more, on this episode of The Athletic Football Show.


Hosts: Robert Mays and Derrik Klassen

With: Michael Beller

Executive Producer: Michael Beller

Producer: Michael Beller

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Athletic Football Show.

0:05.4

It is a mailbag day, even though it's not Monday.

0:08.8

We're rolling out the mailbag on Wednesday because we had tweak some things this week.

0:12.7

Another set of great questions.

0:14.6

Really appreciate everybody who sent them in.

0:17.0

Beller is going to be reading them for me and Derek.

0:19.7

Very excited to get back to these.

0:21.6

Let's get to it right now.

0:28.9

It's another mailbag Wednesday here on the athletic football show.

0:33.3

Pushing this back a couple days.

0:35.5

Obviously, I got back at this weekend and we usually record the mailbags on the previous Friday, just a little bit of a peek behind the curtain. I'm sure the mystery is now really ruined for everybody. But because we couldn't do that, we wanted to push everything back one day and we really wanted to hit all the news from OTAs yesterday. So we're doing the mailbag a little bit later, but we're getting back in the swing of things. We'll have another one next Monday. So we back on our regularly scheduled programming. Very excited to be back doing these. Very excited for all three of us to be on here. Beller, you've got a lot of run on the feet over the last couple weeks, but this is, it's nice to to have you back in this spot. And it's nice to be here with you because I've really appreciated what you've added to these mailback shows since we started rolling within this offseason. Well, thank you very much. And it's great to have you back. And it's great to be back in this. It was, it was fun to get back on the mic. It was fun to stretch the vocal wings a little bit, but I'm very happy to be doing the voiceover thing once again for you guys and letting you guys take the ball and run with it. Derek, did you miss the mailbags? We didn't record any of them because we were banking them for like several weeks. So even though you you guys still got a mail bag every week, it's been about three weeks since we've recorded one. Yeah, like I've been listening to them back, obviously, but so I guess in some ways I've gotten my fix,

1:44.4

but it's a little bit different knowing that like, okay, I said all that stuff three weeks

1:47.4

ago as opposed to being able to record it now. But even now, we're recording it on a Tuesday,

1:51.7

which we've never done. So we're still all jumbled up until I think we get to the end of this week.

1:56.3

We've got a ton of questions still in the hopper. So I'm not even sure if I'm going to solicit new questions for next week's mailbag. I think I'm just going to go through all of the ones that we have. And then starting the week of the 16th, I guess it is. That's when I'll start requesting new questions because we've got so many good ones as we always do. So thank you to everyone who took the time to send them in. We've got a lot of fun ones to get to. Belor, let's just kick it off. No further ado. Okay. Will Saliano comes to us with the first question. And he says that it is based around advanced stance and their usage in media and at organizational levels. Guys, after our heart referencing some of our pals here. Robert Mays references EPA a good amount,

2:34.6

as does Derek Mee to Kime seems partial to DVOA, Nate Tice, like success rate. All of these

2:39.4

stats are helpful in understanding strengths and weaknesses for different teams and players, but not

2:43.3

the be all and all. I'm wondering a few things. Which of these stats do you think teams and

2:47.2

organizations leverage most frequently? And additionally, why are your favorite stats?

2:51.4

Your favorite stats? What about them makes you confident that they are the best way to tell

2:55.1

the story about why a team or a player is good at X? Robert, why do you take this one?

3:00.2

The organizations thing, I think we can take first. I remember the first time a coach quoted DVOA

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