Simon Sinek is a world renowned inspirational speaker. He's a best-selling author and

one of the foremost experts on leadership. We have an amazing conversation.

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Always. So during this conversation, we not only talk about leadership and talk about

business, but we also get into the intricacy of the finite game versus the infinite game.

And this is something that I've really been meditating on a lot myself because the

finite game, it has this defined set of rules that has the winners and the losers and

the stat sheets, well, eventually that runs out of meaning. And you have to look at the

infinite game. The infinite game that cares about extending the play of the game for as

long as possible for everybody involved. And this is a great podcast, especially for me,

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