Hey, what's going on, everybody? Thank you for joining us for another episode of Leadership,

lean in. We are a nation, tribe, community, group of people trying to get better at leading.

So thank you for saying yes to leading in whatever capacity that you currently lead in.

And we're really thankful for you doing everything you can to help

those that you have influence over. We're going to jump in in just a moment to an amazing conversation

that I had with Torn Wells. Some of you might know him as a Grammy award-winning singer. Others of you

might know him as a prolific preacher and pastor

out of Austin, Texas. And whether you know him as a singer or a pastor, one thing that is true,

this guy is a leader. So we're going to jump in in just a moment. Thank you for subscribing to this

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So without any further ado, let's jump in to my conversation with Pastor Torn Wells.

Man, I was so excited to talk about your new book. Congrats. This is, how many books have you

written now? This is the first one. So we're 50-

I haven't written any books.

One book in.

Five albums, one book.

Five albums.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What was the process, the differentiation between writing music and going through that whole process, five albums, versus a book.

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