Houston, we have a podcast.

Welcome to the official podcast of the NASA Johnson Space Center, episode

357, Leadership at All Levels.

I'm Leah Cheshire, and I'm your host today.

On this podcast we bring in the experts, scientists, engineers, and

astronauts all to let you know what's going on in the world of human spaceflight and more.

Throughout life you've most certainly heard the encouragement to be a leader, not a follower.

But I've learned over time that there are opportunities and importance in holding both of those

roles.

Even on other episodes of this podcast, many guests have discussed leadership,

followership, and knowing the right time

to take on the role required to accomplish goals as a team.

I've had the privilege of hearing our deputy center director, Steve

Kerner, speak about leadership on a couple of occasions and it really

changed the way I see myself as both a leader and a follower. Steve has had the

opportunity to lead JSC in multiple different roles over his 32 plus years of

working here from his time as the Deputy Director of Mission

Operations to Chief Financial Officer, to Director of Flight Operations, and many things in between.

You'll notice this episode isn't full of corporate jargon or inspirational buzzwords

because those don't always go hand in hand with being a good leader. Instead I hope

you hear the practical ways we can expect excellence of ourselves and those on our teams.

Let's get started. P minus T-I second, second to county.

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