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The Good Fight

Lea Ypi on Freedom

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Lea Ypi is a professor of political theory at the London School of Economics. She is the author of Free: Coming of Age at the End of History, about growing up in Albania, Europe’s last Stalinist outpost, and the political convulsions that followed its transition to liberal capitalism. In this week’s conversation, Lea Ypi and Yascha Mounk discuss childhood in the shadow of totalitarianism, the perils and pitfalls of post-communist states’ rapid transition towards capitalism, and how states can maximize freedom for their citizens. (This conversation was recorded on February 9th, before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.) This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

One of the things that was very interesting to hear in Albania over the course of the 90s

0:04.7

was that we had gone through a communism that was really different from Yugoslav communism and

0:10.1

was much more isolated and in some ways more restrictive and many Albanians who had part of their nation in

0:17.2

Yugoslavia in the form of Kosovo thought that you know it was much better to be Kosovo than

0:22.4

to be in Albania because of the degree of censorship and oppression and yet after in 1990

0:29.1

Yugoslavia went through war and the breakup of Yugoslavia came with a massive human

0:33.0

cost and I remember hearing these arguments in Albania about how you know it

0:36.2

wanted to be Yugoslavia for all these years but then in 1990 you suddenly didn't want

0:40.3

to be Yugoslavia anymore because you saw what the breakup was and brought for people there.

0:45.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. Like many of you have been filled with deep admiration at the courage and the bravery of the Ukrainian people over the last week.

1:06.0

Anybody who claimed that Ukraine is not a real nation, anybody who claimed that Ukrainians don't care about self-determination, that they don't want to be able to be masters of their own fate,

1:20.0

has been proven deeply wrong by the inspiring solidarity, the inspiring resistance that we've seen throughout the country

1:31.7

over these terrible days of war.

1:35.6

At the same time, I have also felt deep admiration for segments of the Russian population.

1:43.0

In the last week we have seen thousands upon thousands of people being arrested

1:48.0

for protesting the war.

1:50.0

We have seen courageous petitions against the war from scientists to musicians to

2:00.6

scholars of William Shakespeare, a petition on move on atorg has over a million

2:06.9

signatories. And unlike in a free country where signing an open letter can sometimes feel ritualistic and pointless,

2:17.2

it takes very real courage to put your name to a letter when that can have bad consequences for your career or even land you in jail.

2:30.0

All of this should drive home an obvious point, which is that we are in a deep and important

2:37.2

conflict with a Kremlin, with Vladimir Putin, but we are not at war with the Russian people.

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