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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

Layers of Evidence: Paint, Blood, and a Courtroom Drama

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

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True Crime

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 28 September 2023

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

In a chilling twist of events, Annamarie Cochrane Rintala is found dead, her stiff body soaked in both paint and blood. The spouse, Cara Rintala, finds herself in a situation that marks a legal first in Massachusetts—a woman charged with the murder of her wife. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve into the perplexing nature of the evidence, from the viscosity of paint and blood to the subtleties of rigor mortis. Morgan discusses the troubling aspects of multiple trials and the contentious role of so-called experts in courtroom drama. The hosts also scrutinize the telltale signs of asphyxial death and the importance of scientific validation in legal cases.

Time-coded Highlights:

  • 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan starts by revealing his love for art and its connection to forensic science. He even touches on its relevance in motor vehicle accidents.
  • 00:02:41 — Morgan mentions that the accused is facing trial for an unprecedented fourth time.
  • 00:03:22 — Dave Mack announces the historical context; it’s the first case in Massachusetts where a wife is charged with murdering her wife.
  • 00:04:31 — Mack offers a rundown on the turbulent relationship between Annamarie Cochrane Rintala and Cara Rintala, including debt, jealousy, and exhausting work hours. He describes the crime scene, which is filled with a mixture of paint and blood.
  • 00:06:43 — Morgan delves into the injuries typically seen in cases involving falls, contrasting them with the injuries sustained by the victim, Annamarie.
  • 00:08:59 — Highlighting the unexpected detail of the victim's body being soaked in paint, Joe Scott navigates through the signs of death, focusing on the rigidity of Annamarie's body.
  • 00:13:05 — Likening the process of rigor mortis to post-workout stiffness, Morgan provides a relatable touch to a grim subject. He elaborates on how heat affects rigor mortis, introducing elements like metabolic activity into the equation.
  • 00:15:44 — Morgan provides insight into the informative value of a deceased person's hand position.
  • 00:18:50 — Morgan reiterates the necessity of considering various elements for a comprehensive death investigation.
  • 00:19:53 — Mack stresses the role of first responders in observing and documenting vital details like blood and bruises. Morgan describes how bruises can remain on a body, offering clues into the timeline of a death.
  • 00:28:40 — The conversation pivots to discuss the speculative act of deliberately pouring paint on Annamarie, emphasizing the need to examine her clothing for more clues.
  • 00:29:40 — Joseph Scott Morgan draws parallels between this case and the Caylee Anthony homicide, highlighting the use of questionable scientific methods in court.
  • 00:32:38 — Dave Mack and Joe Scott Morgan discuss the implications of the cause of death being strangulation, and what signs to look for.

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0:00.0

I make it a practice my wife and I do at least when we can save our pennies enough and

0:26.1

we go, trust me, before I say this, I want you to think I'm some kind of rich guy because I ain't

0:31.0

save our pennies and pack a backpack both of us and we hop on the cheapest flight we can find

0:37.2

and we go to Great Britain and we've done this a couple of times and stay very very cheap,

0:43.0

don't stay in fancy hotels. Hey, if you're in America you can always stay in some big chain, right?

0:47.4

So we try to stay in, you know, in hostels for families or maybe in an inn that's outside of town

0:54.2

and take public transit in and one of the things that we were prone to do while we're overseas

0:59.3

is go visit art museums. Probably one of the most fantastic experiences I've ever had was the

1:05.6

National Museum in London. Some of the most beautiful artistry I've ever seen and also particularly

1:11.7

cartif whales went down there and went to the National Art Museum and they had beautiful

1:16.5

Monet paintings and they're all originals there and you walk through these things and just the,

1:22.2

I don't know, you can just stare them for hours and the old portraits too, the ones that go back

1:27.1

hundreds and hundreds of years and it's amazing what an artist can do with paint. It certainly is,

1:34.5

now in forensics we study paint. We study paint as it applies to motor vehicle accidents because,

1:40.5

you know, you might not know this but when a person gets hit by a car and it's said,

1:44.4

hit and run, sometimes the car will deposit paint on the deceased body. Today, I'm going to

1:51.6

chat when you guys about a case that involves paint but it involves paint in a manner in which

1:58.8

I have never experienced in all of my years as a medical legal death investigator. I'm Joseph

2:04.3

Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags. Dave Mac, good to be back with you, my friend. I have to tell

2:13.5

you I came across this case because actually I've had two television channels that networks that

2:19.6

have wanted me to cover it and I was not aware of it. There's so many things that come across my

2:23.5

desk in media and there are these things get put up on the shelf in my brain somewhere. I don't

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