Now it's time for the last word with the rate, Lawrence O'Dell.

Rachel, you're forgiven.

I speak for the entire audience when I say that.

By the way, Dr. Kessler's discussion with you was just haunting.

And the idea that Donald Trump has now fired the person who probably saved his life is, I guess, the kind of flawlessly fitting a big footnote to where we are in Trump governance tonight.

I also think that Dr. Kustler is, he knows these things. I mean, he has been there and he understands how these things work.

And I think he may really be right that Trump does not know that.

Yeah.

That Trump doesn't know that the man who made it possible for him to get those monoclonal antibodies

that kept him alive when he might have otherwise died.

I'm not sure that Trump knows that.

We've had some noise about how the White House has tried to like duplicate the communication structure that should

exist under Secretary Kennedy at the health system at the at HHS. And that may be because

I don't know if Kennedy knows what he's doing, but it seems like the White House has no idea

what Kennedy is doing. And it may be that the White House does not understand the scale of what Kennedy

has just done here. I think Dr. Kessler's suggestion that somebody needs to tell Trump what has

just happened is actually a very modest and very sober thing to do. Yeah, I thought it made perfect

sense the way he was saying it to you on your program. We have Mallory McMorrow

joining us here tonight. She is the new Senate candidate in Michigan, United States Senate

candidate, hugely important Senate election next year in Michigan. This will be her first

night on the program as a Senate candidate.

That's great. When I saw that announcement today, I thought, okay, now we're talking,

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