Lawrence: 'This conversation was recorded' most dangerous phrase for Giuliani in sexual assault lawsuit

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🗓️ 16 May 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Tonight on The Last Word: Rudy Giuliani is sued for alleged sexual abuse and wage theft, claims he denies. Also, E. Jean Carroll is “weighing” another defamation lawsuit after Trump’s CNN town hall remarks. Plus, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis fights Trump’s bid to suppress the Georgia probe. And Special Counsel John Durham fails to find the “crime of the century” that Trump promised he would. Justin Kelton, Andrew Weissmann, Faith Gay, Gwen Keyes Fleming and Rep. Adam Schiff join Lawrence O’Donnell.

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0:00.0	Well, Rudolf Giuliani would like you to know that he denies everything you're about to hear.
0:08.0	He didn't actually deny it himself. He had a spokesperson put out a written statement today.
0:13.0	Rudolf Giuliani unequivocally denies the allegations raised by Miz Dunfee.
0:19.0	Miz Dunfee is no-al-Dunfee whose lawyer will join us in a moment.
0:25.0	She has filed a lawsuit against Rudolf Giuliani accusing him of extreme violations of labor law
0:32.0	and sexual harassment law and laws against sexual assault.
0:38.0	But the lawsuit, this lawsuit right here, also quotes Rudolf Giuliani claiming that he was selling
0:49.0	pardons for $2 million with the money to be split between himself and the issuer of the pardons Donald Trump.
1:01.0	That is by far the most serious evidence of federal crimes included in this lawsuit.
1:10.0	The lawsuit also quotes Rudolf Giuliani telling Noel Dunfee to commit the crime of lying to the FBI.
1:20.0	That is also evidence of Rud Giuliani committing another federal crime.
1:25.0	And there is a third federal and state crime described in the lawsuit when Rudolf Giuliani is quoted describing
1:34.0	how he collected a million dollars owed to him without reporting it as income so that his wife would not be able to get any of that money
1:44.0	in his then pending divorce proceedings.
1:47.0	That is federal income tax evasion, which carries a five-year prison term and state income tax evasion.
1:54.0	And so there are four major crimes identified in this lawsuit that are worthy of federal investigation.
2:03.0	Three of those possible federal crimes described as committed by Rudolf Giuliani and a fourth describes Rudolf Giuliani and Donald Trump.
2:12.0	Co-conspiring to commit the federal crime of extortion. Two million dollars for a Trump pardon.
2:20.0	The problem, the big problem. For Rudolf Giuliani and his written blanket denial of everything in this 69-page lawsuit filed in Manhattan today,
2:35.0	is the sentence, this conversation was recorded, which appears repeatedly throughout this document.
2:46.0	The conversation about splitting bribe money, extortion money with Donald Trump was not recorded.
2:54.0	It appears on page 26 of the lawsuit complaint just above the passage that shows an actual text message from Rudolf Giuliani to Noel Dunphy asking,
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