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The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

Lawrence: Supreme Court sent Trump case back to trial court for a full hearing on evidence

The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

Lawrence O'Donnell, MS NOW

Politics, Washington, Congress, News, Ms Now, President, Versant Media, Policy, Versant, Government, Senate

4.56.4K Ratings

🗓️ 2 July 2024

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Tonight on The Last Word: President Biden says the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling sets a dangerous precedent. Laurence Tribe, Melissa Murray, Andrew Weissmann, and Neal Katyal join Lawrence O’Donnell.

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0:00.0

Well today the United States Supreme Court granted Donald Trump immunity for conduct described in exactly two paragraphs of a 130 paragraph indictment.

0:12.2

The rest of the indictment against Donald Trump still

0:15.8

stands as of tonight. And the Supreme Court has ordered the trial judge in the case

0:22.0

Tanya Chutkin, to hear testimony in the case from a very long

0:27.6

list of potential witnesses to clarify if some of the remaining charges in the indictment might now fit into a new

0:37.3

category created by the Supreme Court today granting criminal immunity for

0:42.1

some presidential conduct.

0:44.8

That could lead Judge Chutkin to in effect be presiding over

0:50.2

an examination of the evidence similar to or equal to what would occur in the

0:56.4

prosecution in the trial, the actual trial of this case, when prosecutor Jack

1:01.8

Smith would be calling his prosecution witnesses to the witness stand in Judge

1:06.5

Chutkins courtroom, including Mike Pence, to take an oath and testify under oath to prove to the judge that the conduct described in the rest of the indictment

1:18.4

is in no way immune from prosecution even with the Supreme Court's new definition today.

1:25.0

Unlike a trial, Donald Trump does not have to be present for that hearing which could last weeks.

1:31.0

So it would in no way interfere with his presidential campaign.

1:35.0

The 6-3 decision identified two different fears on each side of that decision in the Supreme Court. The majority of the justices

1:45.1

seem to fear a president living under the pressure of unreasonable criminal

1:51.4

prosecutions even though that has never happened in the history of the country.

1:57.5

And the minority of the justices fear a president they now see as in effect sanctioned to break the law. The majority

2:07.2

called the minority's view quote fear-mongering on the basis of extreme

2:12.4

hypotheticals about a future on the law. What the majority saw without today's ruling, this is what they fear, is, quote, the more likely prospect of

2:29.6

an executive branch that cannibalizes itself with each successive president free to prosecute his predecessors

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