The last order with Lawrence O'Donnell starts right now. Hey Lawrence. Hey, Jen, you know, I hate

politics too, but someone's got to do it. I do, but someone's got to do it. And, you know,

the thing I hate the most about politics is the Trump of politics. That has really ruined politics.

Yeah, I agree with that. I love politics, but Trump has really been a damper on politics.

I know you love policymaking more than politics. That's fair, right? I love policymaking, too.

That's also not happening right now. Back when you could do it, back when there was kind of understanding, even among enough Republicans so that you had a governing majority in places like the Senate that could actually do some reasonable things.

And of course, you'd always want to do more.

But with the inhibitions that existed in the dynamics

of the party, you could get what you could get. And now, you know, Jen, I feel like the jobs

that I had certainly working in the Senate don't really exist. I mean, the job title exists,

but no one does the work that we used to do.

They don't, they don't legislate, they don't govern the way both parties used to before

Trumpism took over the whole system of Republican politics.

That's true. I mean, I am old enough to remember working with Republican members on legislation

at times. There were times where they certainly made us really angry in the Obama White House or the

Biden White House. Well, the Biden White House was the number of Trump area. But you could still kind

of get things done, or at least talk and have a conversation, or at least find points of common grounds. It's really hard to do because none of it is on the level these days,

as my mother would say. Well, we must proceed. We must. Thanks, Jen. Thanks, Lawrence.

Thank you.

Well, the verdict in the Court of Public Opinion is in, and it is not good for Donald Trump.

59% disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling investigations into Jeffrey Epstein.

Just 20% approve. Donald Trump is handling investigations into Jeffrey Epstein. Just 20% approve.

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