Lawrence: ‘Immoral’ is Donald Trump’s brand, and his chief of staff just proved it

The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

Lawrence O'Donnell, MS NOW

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🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Tonight on The Last Word: Vanity Fair interviews with Trump Chief of Staff Susie Wiles reveal new pain points in the administration. Plus, Wiles claims Trump was unaware of Ghislaine Maxwell's prison transfer, and that Pam Bondi "completely whiffed" handling the Epstein files. Also, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth refuses to release full unedited boat strike video. Nicholas Kristof, Rep. Ro Khanna, and Jonathan Capehart join Lawrence O'Donnell.

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0:00.0	The last word with Lawrence O'Donnell starts right now.
0:02.3	Hey, Lawrence.
0:03.3	Hey, Jen.
0:04.0	And Jonathan Capart's going to join us tonight at the end of the hour with a preview of Thursday night.
0:09.9	Great.
0:10.2	I'll be looking forward to that.
0:11.8	Thanks.
0:12.3	Thanks, Jim.
0:13.3	Thanks, Lawrence.
0:15.5	I was not here last night because I couldn't bring myself to talk on TV about the murders of my friends,
0:23.0	Rob Reiner and his wife, Michelle, and I couldn't talk about anything else on TV.
0:29.8	And so Ali Velci stepped in and allowed me to turn off the news of the world for a day.
0:35.3	I might have something to say at some point about the wonderful experiences I had at
0:40.3	Robin Michelle's home, which is now a crime scene. But right now, I still don't have the mental
0:47.3	or emotional clarity to form even a single sentence about that. Of course, Donald Trump was eager to say something about Rob
0:59.8	and what Donald Trump put in writing shocked even some Trump supporters. It will be the thing
1:07.4	historians find to reach their conclusive verdicts on the depths of Donald Trump's
1:15.8	depravity, Donald Trump's perversion, Donald Trump's poisonous hate-fueled life. I will not and
1:25.6	cannot read Donald Trump's deranged words about Rob.
1:30.1	Most of you already know what he said.
1:33.4	Republican Congressman Don Bacon had this reaction to what Donald Trump said about Rob Reiner.
1:41.0	I'd expect to hear something like this from a drunk guy at a bar, not the president of
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