Now it is time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell. Good evening, Lawrence.

Good evening, Alex. And you know, I noticed in your discussion with Brian about his book about Fox,

that hey, I think every time, I think almost every time, that he refers to it

almost every time he refers to it as Fox

which is what I do I never say that second word

because that second word because that second word is the first lie that network told is that

second word in its name.

It has nothing to do with the news business as your interview and

Brian's book point out. I know a lot of people who feel the same way that it

should just be plain old fox with not the other word because of its

history and perhaps its future. Yeah and you know we know what you're talking about

when you say fox you don't have to say the second word we We get it. Yeah. Their mendacity is well known these days

Lawrence. Thank you, Alex. Thanks. Well in Trump world, I don't recall is not perjury.

When Cassidy Hudson testified to the January 6th committee,

she told them what her Trump-paid lawyer told her.

Sifon never told me to lie to the committee.

I don't want you to perjure yourself, he insisted.

But I don't recall isn't perjury. Of course, I don't recall isn't perjury.

Of course, I don't recall is perjury when you do recall.

Which is why Cassie Hutchinson chose not to follow that lawyer's advice and commit perjury by sticking to the lie

if I don't recall.

She got rid of that lawyer and she went on to tell the truth to the committee.

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