Now it's time for the last word with the great Lawrence O'Donnell. Good evening, Lawrence.

Good evening, Rachel. We have Senator Chris Van Hollen joining us tonight. The earliest he can get to us.

He says it's 10.40 p.m. so we're just saving the slot right there, eager for him to join us.

That case is moving along. It'll be interesting to see what his reaction is

to the judge in the case of Mr. Obrego-Garcia accusing Donald Trump's Justice Department

lawyers of bad faith. Those words, bad faith in-court filings. That's something judges don't

usually do. But he apparently, the senator, experienced some of that bad faith when he went to El Salvador and came back as he reported to you in his first interview about it in his meeting with Mr.

Abrago Garcia. He experienced the bad faith of the Trump arrangement down there.

Yeah.

Well, you know, it does feel like, I think, in part because Senator Van Hollen has forced

the issue.

And I feel like that case is inevitably coming to a head, right?

There's the Trump administration has decided to try to dance around this

issue and to dance around the questions from the direct questions from this judge and to try to,

you know, kick it upstairs, kick it to the Fourth Circuit, kick it to the, kick it to the Supreme Court,

try to kick it back to the Supreme Court. They've tried to dance around this for so long.

But Senator Van Hollen has called the question. Everybody knows that the questions must be answered.

And it's coming, we're coming to the end of the period around which the Trump administration can

continue this strategy. And it's all been forced by Senator Van Hollen. I'll be really interested

to hear what he says tonight, given how stark things are getting in that courtroom.

10.40 p.a is when we expect to get to him. So we're eager. Thank you, Rachel. I'm ready. Thanks.

Thank you. Trump chickened out. Now, I know what you're thinking. That's not the kind of language I use on this program.

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