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The World and Everything In It

Lawless Encore: Episode 7, The Trouble with Uncle Fred

The World and Everything In It

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4.86.6K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

March 31, 2025 marked the 20th anniversary of Terri Schiavo's death. WORLD Radio is commemorating her death by presenting a remastered version of our true-crime podcast Lawless.In January of 2000, Michael and the Schindlers head to court. At the center of the fight: Terri’s wishes. Did she want to live or did she want to die? And before her 1990 brain injury, had she made those wishes known?The World and Everything in It and Lawless is made possible by listeners like you. To support sound journalism, grounded in facts and Biblical truth, visit wng.org/donate (https://publish.blubrry.com/s-120558/episodes/e-144201336/edit/wng.org/donate). Thank you.

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0:00.0

It's March 25th, 2005, and Terry Shibow is on her eighth day with no food or water.

0:10.2

At the Florida State Capitol in Tallahassee, the press room is packed.

0:14.7

Governor Jeb Bush has called a press conference.

0:17.8

An attorney, Rocky Rodriguez, is about to be thrust into the harsh glare of the media

0:22.9

spotlight. There must have been easily 20, 30 reporters, if I recall, both print and media.

0:31.3

That's Rodriguez. Her name is Raquel, but she goes by Rocky. Rodriguez is Bush's chief

0:37.4

counsel.

0:38.2

The governor says come down to the press room,

0:41.5

and so it was on the first floor of the Capitol,

0:43.8

we call Plaza Level, off the hallway outside

0:48.0

of the governor's office suite.

0:50.6

Governor Bush got involved in the Shibow case in 2003.

0:54.4

He filed a friend of the court brief supporting the Schindler's.

0:58.4

Now a week into Terry's slow motion dehydration, he's looking for a last-ditch plan to save

1:04.6

her.

1:06.2

Rodriguez has been researching the Florida statutes.

1:10.0

At the press conference, she stands behind the governor holding copies of those laws.

1:14.8

The governor made a statement and he responded to some questions, and I think there was a direct

1:21.2

question to him. He said, well, what can you do? And then he said, well, I'm going to let my

1:25.6

counsel answer that.

1:26.9

Rodriguez has never spoken at a press conference before, and she wasn't prepared to speak at this one.

1:33.3

For her, it was...

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