Lawfare Presents: Chatter, a new podcast from Shane Harris and David Priess
Lawfare Presents: The Aftermath
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🗓️ 17 November 2021
⏱️ 61 minutes
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A brand new podcast from Lawfare. Weekly long-form conversations with fascinating people at the creative edges of national security. Unscripted. Informal. Always fresh.
Chatter guests roll with the punches to describe artistic endeavors related to national security and jump into cutting-edge thinking at the frontiers where defense and foreign policy overlap with technology, intelligence, climate change, history, sports, culture, and beyond. Each week, listeners get a no-holds-barred dialogue at an intersection between Lawfare's core issue areas and something from Hollywood to history, science to spy fiction.
On this week's Chatter, Congressman Adam Kinzinger sits down in his office with David to share his thoughts about his career in congress on heels of his announcement to not seek re-election. They talk about leadership, what the partisan divide means for future office holders, and how his time in the cockpit prepared him for tough matters of national security.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Chatter. I'm David Priss. This week, Adam Kinzinger, U.S. Representative |
| 0:16.3 | from the 16th Congressional District in Illinois on core values, national security and more. |
| 0:23.5 | You know, life is quick. It's fleeting. And as a 43-year-old, I guess, in that mid-life |
| 0:27.4 | now, you realize how quick those first 43 years went. The next 43 are going to go pretty |
| 0:31.7 | fast. I say this facetiously as a kind of a joke, but sort of serious. If China |
| 0:36.2 | Newt's California, most Republicans would say, good, now we can win the next presidential |
| 0:40.2 | election. Or if China, Newt Texas, Democrats would say good, we can now win the next presidential |
| 0:45.5 | election. It's sad, but that's what I feel like. |
| 0:47.6 | Adam, welcome to Chatter. What does freedom feel like? |
| 0:52.0 | Oh, man, you know, look, it's interesting because I, what was it, Monday, flew into DC. |
| 1:00.0 | I fly myself now. And we landed. And I've been at this job now, I guess January will be |
| 1:06.7 | 11 years. And this was the first time probably in, like, I was thinking about it, maybe six |
| 1:12.0 | or seven years, where I landed in DC. And amazingly, it was just like, who felt great, |
| 1:18.7 | right? Usually you land here. And you taught to any congressman. They'll tell you if |
| 1:21.8 | they're honest. The second you land in DC, there's like this weight that comes on top |
| 1:25.8 | of you. Like, here's what I got to do this week. All these big issues. This was the first |
| 1:30.2 | time I landed. And that was just like, I don't feel that. |
| 1:33.1 | But you still had that. You still had your schedule. You still had your staff telling |
| 1:36.1 | you what, what you had to do and when, but it, but it feels different. It does. It's |
| 1:40.6 | like, you know, here's the thing when you're in this job, you, you, I kind of equate it |
| 1:45.8 | to be in like a pastor, right? If you're a pastor, your job is all consuming. I mean, |
| 1:51.0 | you could be at a bar, maybe not as a pastor, but you'd be at a bar as a priest or something. |
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