This is a given that whatever you say online, wherever you go, it's recorded.

But the government is able to collect the information, what are you doing online, and then

analyzing the information, and make a prediction by analyzing the information.

To what extent you are being a threat to the government.

It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Lawfare Senior Editor Michael Feinberg, here today with Yachio Wang,

a human rights advocate who has studied the government of China for pretty much her entire career in the United States.

I mean, Chinese AI is very powerful.

It's collecting so much data and also processing so much data.

It's going to make human rights activists resistant towards Chinese government much harder.

But also, we need to keep in mind that the Chinese AI, Chinese surveillance may not as successful as it appears to be

precisely because China is not a free society.

We are going to be talking about the development of artificial intelligence and scientific

and technological exchange between the United States and China, and what that says

about both geopolitical concerns and human rights concerns.

It would probably be helpful for many of our listeners who do not follow goings-on within

China at any real granular level to sort of understand what the

landscape of the surveillance apparatus and efforts to control thought have been like before

the advent of AI. Would you be willing to sort of walk us through what that general picture looks

like?

Well, I mean, I would divide it into two aspects.

One is online.

The other is offline.

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