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The Lawfare Podcast

Lawfare Daily: WITAOD?

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🗓️ 6 June 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Lawfare Senior Editor Anna Bower has been on a quest. She wants to identify the administrator of DOGE. It's partly a comedic bit. And her lengthy article on the subject on Lawfare last week is laugh-out-loud funny. But it's also deadly serious. She came on the Lawfare Podcast to discuss the serious questions behind WITAOD with Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes.

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The White House is being very unclear and resistant to questions about what Elon Musk's employment status is and who the actual

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administrator of Doge is. And so that's kind of where this question started.

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It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare, with senior editor Anna Bauer.

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When there's a goodbye party, Trump said, Doge is his baby. He'll continue to advise.

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So it's really just unclear in all of these instances, like, what can you take at face value,

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and what is actually going on?

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So there's this, you know, multiple kind of reasons why this question will continue to be relevant.

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