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The Lawfare Podcast

Escalation, Episode Five: Resets

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4.76.2K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Today, it’s Episode Five of Escalation, our latest narrative series co-hosted by Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien and Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina. Throughout the show, Nastya and Tyler trace the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations from the time of Ukrainian independence through the present. You can listen to Escalation in its entirety, as well as our other narrative series, on our Lawfare Presents channel, wherever you get your podcasts.

In Episode Five, Ukraine’s Russia-backed president refuses to sign a deal with the European Union—and millions of Ukrainians take to the streets to force him out. Then the West watches as Russia invades Crimea and parts of Eastern Ukraine. 

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Also, check out Lawfare's other podcast offerings, Rational Security, Chatter, Lawfare No Bull,

0:26.9

and The Aftermath.

0:31.3

It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Tyler McBrion, managing editor of Lawfare.

0:36.8

And this afternoon, we're continuing to bring you a little something extra on top of our daily

0:41.0

Lawfare podcast episodes.

0:43.2

Today, it's episode five of Escalation, our latest narrative series that I co-hosted

0:48.5

with Lawfare's Ukraine Fellow and Astasia Lapitna.

0:52.4

Throughout the show, Nasty and I trace the history of U.S. Ukrainian relations

0:56.4

from the time of Ukrainian independence through the present. You can listen to Escalation in its

1:01.5

entirety, as well as our other narrative series on our Lawfare Presents channel wherever you get

1:06.5

your podcasts. In episode five, Ukraine's Russia-backed president refuses to sign a deal with the European

1:13.0

Union, and millions of Ukrainians take to the streets to force him out. Then, the West watches

1:19.9

as Russia invades Crimea and parts of eastern Ukraine. This is Escalation. Episode 5. Resets.

1:40.1

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2:03.3

Previously on Es escalation. Previously on escalation.

2:05.9

All the intimidation of voters, all like the dirty campaign,

2:09.3

was made by Yanukovych and people who supported him,

2:12.0

and behind all that was the Kremlin.

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