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Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, May 22

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🗓️ 24 May 2025

⏱️ 97 minutes

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Summary

In a live conversation on May 22, Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Quinta Jurecic and Roger Parloff and Lawfare Legal Fellow James Pearce to discuss legal challenges against President Trump’s executive actions, including the a court hearing over the attempted deportation of immigrants to South Sudan, the arrest of Democratic Representative LaMonica McIver, the Supreme Court opinion allowing President Trump to remove members of independent agencies, and more.


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Lawfare No Bull, and The Aftermath. Despite, I think, the kind of generally genial manner

0:36.1

of Judge Murphy on the case and his willingness to give

0:38.9

DHS some wiggle room and not requiring that these individuals in South Sudan be immediately

0:43.3

returned to the U.S.

0:45.0

It did seem to me like that requirement for a declaration and for that notice was potentially

0:51.4

a real problem for the government here.

0:55.0

It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare, with legal fellow James

1:02.4

Pierce and Lawfare senior editors Quinta Jurecic and Roger Parloff.

1:08.5

The real question here will be how extensive does a court interpret this concept of a legislative

1:14.6

act?

1:15.6

I think under the D.C. Circuit case law, she would have a pretty compelling argument that she was

1:19.6

engaged in a legislative act, kind of irrespective of what the facts look like on the ground.

1:24.6

In the May 22nd trials of the Trump administration, we discussed a court hearing over the attempted deportation of immigrants to South Sudan,

1:35.3

the arrest of Democratic Representative La Monica McIver, the Supreme Court opinion allowing President Trump to remove members of independent agencies and so much more.

1:51.1

So we are going to start today with what we're not going to talk about.

1:58.2

We're not talking about Harvard University today, even though it is sure to end up

2:04.5

playing a big role in some future lawfare live. And the reason we're not talking about it is because

2:13.0

you guessed it, it's not in litigation yet. The administration has announced that it is going to be

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