Lawfare Daily: The New January 6 Reports
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🗓️ 6 January 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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On today’s podcast, Lawfare Senior Editor and Brookings Senior Fellow Molly Reynolds is joined by Quinta Jurecic, a Fellow at Brookings and Senior Editor at Lawfare, and Ryan Reilly, Justice Reporter at NBC News, to discuss a long-awaited report on Jan. 6 from the Department of Justice’s Inspector General, as well as a new report from House Republicans focusing on the pipe bombs planted outside the Democratic and Republican National Committees as part of the violence that day. They explore what the reports do—and do not—cover, how they fit in with other investigative work on the insurrection, and what the overall landscape of accountability looks like on the precipice of President Trump’s return to office.
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| 0:31.3 | Yeah, it definitely is just missing a huge part of this story, and I think that the narrative |
| 0:35.6 | that has already emerged from this, you know, despite the fact that I think that the narrative that has already emerged from this, |
| 0:42.0 | you know, despite the fact that I think that the headline that they wanted to write was that, |
| 0:46.7 | like, listen, there weren't any FBI special agents undercover out in the, in the crowd. But instead, obviously, the narrative that has bitten, written off of this in conservative media, |
| 0:51.6 | certainly is that like, oh my gosh, look at all these confidential human sources are out there. |
| 0:56.3 | It's the Lawfare podcast. |
| 0:58.3 | I'm Molly Reynolds, senior fellow at Brookings and senior editor at Lawfare with Quinta |
| 1:02.9 | Jurassic, a fellow at Brookings and a senior editor at lawfare. |
| 1:06.1 | And Ryan Riley, Justice Reporter at NBC News. |
| 1:09.9 | One of the things that makes this an intelligence failure on the FBI's part is that everyone |
| 1:14.5 | knew it was going to happen. I mean, we didn't all know that writers were going to break into |
| 1:18.9 | the Capitol, but we knew that something was going to happen on January 6th because everyone |
| 1:23.9 | was posting about it and Trump had tweeted about it. Today, we're talking about two new investigative reports on January 6th and where things stand in the effort to hold individuals accountable on the fourth anniversary of the insurrection. |
| 1:37.3 | I want to start us off by talking about first the Department of Justice Inspector General's long-awaited report on January 6th. Quinta, |
| 1:49.1 | do you want to just give us a little bit of context for this report? What is it? Why did it take so |
| 1:56.2 | long to come out? Why does it have the scope it does? That sort of thing. We've been waiting for this |
| 2:03.8 | report to come out. I think it's fair to say for three years at this point. It was announced, |
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