Lawfare Daily: The Defense Tech Paradox, with Susannah Glickman
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🗓️ 10 December 2025
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Susannah Glickman, an assistant professor of history at Stony Brook University who specializes in the political economy of computation and information, sat down with Lawfare Associate Editor Olivia Manes to discuss the role of defense tech in the second Trump administration. Susannah unpacked her recent article in the New York Review of Books tracing the historical relationship between tech, defense, and the U.S. government, and explained how defense tech firms which have benefitted from U.S. industrial policy are now undermining it for the sake of short-term profits.
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| 0:00.0 | Nearly every news alert in 2025 has raised questions, some old, some new, about the law and national security. |
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| 0:36.5 | They end up staffing the Pentagon and trying to sort of remake it in their own image, |
| 0:40.8 | be that, you know, sort of the Silicon Valley model or like as private equity, |
| 0:45.0 | like, you know, I talk a little bit about this new form of state capitalism that is emerging right now. |
| 0:50.1 | Like the MP Materials deal, the Intel deal, the NVIDIA deal, that looks a lot like private equity. |
| 0:57.1 | It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Olivia Manus, associate editor of lawfare, with Susanna Glickman, |
| 1:02.9 | an assistant professor of history at Stony Brook University, specializes in the political economy of computation and information. |
| 1:09.8 | There need to be some reliable safeguards in this kind of uncertain environment, lack of |
| 1:15.1 | government planning, government funding of research, all of these infrastructures that all |
| 1:19.7 | these companies benefit from. |
| 1:21.2 | Like the destruction of it, it makes reviving manufacturing or doing anything innovative, any kind of long-term industrial policy, impossible. |
| 1:31.8 | Today, we're talking about the shifting landscape of defense tech as it relates to the policies of the |
| 1:36.5 | second Trump administration. In particular, we'll unpack a recent article by Susanna and the |
| 1:41.2 | New York Review of Books, which traces the historical relationship between tech, defense, and the U.S. government, and explains how defense tech firms, which |
| 1:48.8 | have historically benefited from U.S. industrial policy, are now undermining it. |
| 1:53.0 | So, Susanna, you recently wrote an article called The Warren Defense Tech for the New York Review |
| 1:57.5 | of Books. Before we kind of dive into the substance of that, I wonder if you could kind of give us a really broad overview, kind of set the scene for the New York Review of Books. Before we kind of dive into the substance of that, I wonder if |
| 2:01.3 | you could kind of give us a really broad overview, kind of set the scene for us, about how |
| 2:06.3 | defense tech is making its mark on the second Trump administration. So to me it seems like, |
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