Lawfare Daily: Susan Landau and Alan Rozenshtein Debate End-to-End Encryption (Again!)

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🗓️ 18 December 2024

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

In response to the compromise of telecommunication companies by the Chinese hacker group Salt Typhoon, senior officials from the FBI and CISA recommended that American citizens use encrypted messaging apps to minimize the chances of their communications being intercepted. This marks a departure in law enforcement’s position on the use of encrypted communications.

Susan Landau, Professor of Cyber Security and Policy in Computer Science at Tufts University, and Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota Law School and Research Director and Senior Editor at Lawfare, sat down with Lawfare Senior Editor Eugenia Lostri to talk about what the recent FBI recommendation in favor of the use of encrypted messaging apps means for the “Going Dark” debate.

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1:36.2	My understanding of responsibly managed encryption is its code word for don't use end-to-end
1:42.0	encryption because we can't break in, store the keys with somebody
1:46.1	else, like the phone provider or a different third party. And do I believe that's responsibly
1:51.7	managed? Well, Kahlia was responsibly managed also, right? No, I mean, the best way to secure
1:57.3	view of communications is end-to-end encryption. It's the Lawfare podcast.
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