Lawfare Daily: Pablo Chavez on Digital Solidarity
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🗓️ 17 May 2024
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Summary
The recently released International Cyberspace and Digital Strategy focuses on building digital solidarity as an alternative to digital sovereignty policies. Lawfare's Fellow in Technology Policy and Law, Eugenia Lostri, spoke with Pablo Chavez, Adjunct Senior Fellow with the Center for a New American Security’s Technology and National Security Program. Pablo first promoted the idea of digital solidarity in a Lawfare article in 2022. They talked about the range of policies that can fall under the digital sovereignty category, how digital solidarity offers an alternative position, and the evolution of the term from his 2022 article to the international strategy.
The article Eugenia and Pablo reference in their conversation is “Defending the ‘S Word’: The Language of Digital Sovereignty Can be a Tool of Empowerment,” by Arindrajit Basu.
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| 0:28.6 | The State Department was much more focused on this idea of bringing as many countries as possible, you know, into the digital solidarity effort, but in a kind of organized way that kind of |
| 0:43.9 | prioritizes I think countries and partnerships with it. |
| 0:47.6 | It's the Lawfer Podcast. I'm O'Heney Alur-Truki, Lawfers Fellow in Technology Policy in Law, with Pablo Chaus, |
| 0:55.9 | A-John Senior Fellow with a Center for a Neo-American Securities Technology and National |
| 1:01.0 | Security Program. Will the strategy lead to, you know, kind of a binary situation where it's, you know, |
| 1:08.0 | it's essentially kind of you're coming to the American side or you're going to the Chinese side or will state and others have a little bit of a softer approach? |
| 1:18.0 | Today we're talking about digital sovereignty and digital solidarity as alternative narratives for international cyber policy. |
| 1:27.0 | So Pablo, last week the U.S. State Department released its international cyber and digital strategy, which spouses the concept of digital solidarity |
| 1:36.7 | as a principle in an approach to cyber diplomacy. |
| 1:40.9 | And the strategy also contrasts digital solidarity with digital sovereignty as kind of two competing |
| 1:47.8 | narratives for what the internet should look like. Now, digital sovereignty is a concept that maybe some of our |
| 1:54.2 | listeners might be familiar with already, but I think it's worth that we start |
| 1:59.3 | this conversation by going into it a bit in depth to understand eventually how digital solidarity is a response to it. |
| 2:08.0 | So maybe could you get us started with a brief history of the term and how it originates. |
| 2:13.0 | Yeah, definitely. |
| 2:14.0 | And first of all, okay, and yeah, thank you so much for having me on. |
| 2:17.0 | I really appreciate it. |
| 2:18.0 | It's been great working with Law Fair on publishing articles. |
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