It's not easy, you know, I'm still kind of believing that we are caught in the perfect storm of aggressive Russia.

And United States has reconfiguring its role in the world.

And unfortunately we are, you know, we are at the front line.

If Europe or the West would be challenged, it's very likely that we would face it

first. It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Katirina Shmattina. Here is a fellow at Lawfare Institute,

with Gabrielaus Lanzbergis, former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Latwania, and Vitis

Juerkhanis, Associate professor at University of Bill News.

Clearly, Kremlin doesn't understand anything else but power and that needs to be our response.

Like we cannot, we don't have the luxury to actually think that like we'll talk to him, will open his eyes and, like, he will understand.

No, he wouldn't.

Today we are talking about Lithuania security perspective as a NATO member bordering Russia and Belarus.

Today we are turning our attention to NATO's eastern flank to Lithuania, a country with

deep historic memory of Russian-Soviet occupation, resistance, and now a frontline democracy

watching Russia's war in Ukraine from close proximity.

And I would like to set the stage from big picture and ask a question, how would you describe the current atmosphere in Lithuania?

Has the perception of security changed since the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine?

And I would like to start with Vitas since you have the first-hand

experience working with Ukrainian refugees and civil society. Thank you for having me here.

Indeed, the situation is tense in the region. I mean, it's obvious because of the war. It's obvious

because of all sorts of provocations, which are happening, like airspace

being violated, cyber attacks, instrumentalized migration and whatnot.

Obviously, it's also led by disinformation, discreditation, and all sorts of, like, other information, like

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