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Counterintelligence has been around forever.

I mean, espionages is what the second oldest profession.

So, I mean, in the way that they conducted espionage is essentially, you know, the technology is different.

But I mean, the goals and the aims are really the same to get up and get an advantage over your global adversary.

It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Lawfare Senior Editor Michael Feinberg with former FBI

assistant special agent in charge Derek Piper, who oversaw a counterintelligence branch at the

Washington Field Office.

You know, the idea that any agent is sitting there culling through data, trying to find the next case,

they're too busy for that.

You know, you deal with the ones that actually rise to a level that they could be predicated.

Nobody's got time to, you know, say, hey, I'm going to target this person.

Today we'll be discussing the difference between counterintelligence and counter espionage,

the skill sets needed for each, and what happens when these cases become overly politicized?

The reason we're doing this now is that, as most people know, roughly two weeks ago on a

Friday evening, the news media began reporting that at the FBI's Washington Field Office,

a squad which focused, among other things,

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