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So what I saw was a need for a long-range strike and a need for an indigenous long-range

strike capability and an opportunity to leverage sort of the advancements where we are with commercial drone technology and

Ukraine's drone industry to meet that need.

It's the Law Fair podcast. I am Anasticella Patina,

Ukraine fellow at Law Fair with Marcel Plichta, a fellow at the Center for Global

Law and Governance at the University of St Andrews, and a former analyst at the U.S. Department

of Defense, who currently works as an instructor at the Gray Dynamics Intelligence

School.

I think it's something that benefits Ukraine is to keep pushing what the maximum potential

range is because that increases the number of things that Russia has to worry about defending right every every extra

kilometer of range means that there is a another factory another

military target or airfield to worry about.

Today we're talking about the Ukrainian drone campaign against Russia

and how the war in Ukraine is changing how drones are used in conflict all around the world.

Marcel, it's no secret that drones have become an essential component of the Russo-Ukraineian

war on both sides of the front line.

Ukraine has even established a separate branch of its armed forces, the unmanned systems forces.

But I know that you've been a big advocate for the Ukrainian use of drones since the very beginning of Russia's full-skin invasion

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