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How do broader movements generate this kind of fringe violence?

And why does it carry on, often much longer, than the movement that spawned these groups, has any energy?

And this certainly was the case, the 68 movement was kind of over by 70, 71,

whereas the violence carried on through much of the decade. It's a Lawfare podcast. I'm Michael

Feinberg, senior editor with Lawfare. Here today with Jason Burke, a journalist with the Guardian.

Ten years later, you're moving to a very different conception of terrorism, a much more right-wing conception of terrorism.

This is partly due to the Reagan administration coming in, it's due to lots of other things going on,

but one that blames all terrorism around the world on the Soviet Union and on people who are bad,

mad, or misled. Today we're talking about his new book, The Revolutionists, which covers the

milieu of 1970s terrorism in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. I just wanted to start out, Jason, with asking a really basic question.

How and why did you come to write about this particular subject?

It's really the prequel to a lot of what I've been writing about for many years, decades actually.

So I started really thinking about doing the book when I'd

been commissioned to do a book about ISIS in the mid-20 teens. And as I kind of try to construct that

as a project and think about what I could write, I wrote a draft which was basically a kind of potted

history of Islamic militancy up to that point.

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