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You're talking about something that's so cheap and capable of being deployed in such large numbers, even if you do shoot down, you know, 90% of these drones, the 10% that gets

through are going to cause significant damage.

It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Anastasia Lapitina, Ukraine fellow at Lawfare, with Jimmy Rochton,

a Kiev-based journalist and security analyst.

I think the longer this campaign goes on, the more difficult and the more strange Russian

logistics will come.

And that will cause problems again at the tactical level because trucks can't move without fuel,

...