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different goals, different interpretations of what security is. And part of

what's made regulating security so difficult is that these goals are sometimes in deep conflict.

It's the Lawfair Podcast. I'm Kevin Frazier, assistant professor at St Thomas University College of Law, and a Tarbell Fellow at Law Fair.

Joined by my colleague at Eugenia Lostry, Law Fair's Fellow in Technology, Policy, and Law,

and our guest, Chris Hoofnegel, visiting Senior Scholar Fellow at Kings College and Professor of Law and

Residence at the UC Berkeley School of Law.

This is a rich field that involves so many different issues, from standards to forensics, to international relations.

So part of what we're doing is getting the student to slow down

and to appreciate just how big the picture is. to

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