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We build our products to the best of our ability as big tech engineers to make sure that

customers have the most control and context and decision making that we can afford them, but also that like

when we have to comply with government requirements, provided that the government

respects and there's like an established agreed definition that they respect the rule of law.

We're going to answer their request to the most specific degree of our ability.

It's the Lawfare Podcast.

I'm at O'Kenny Lohtri, Lawfers Fellow in Technology Policy and Law,

with Senior Privacy Engineer at Netflix

and former Army's Reserve Intelligence Officer,

Lucas Buntones.

Like when the news says it's a tough time out there for data protection,

it is, partially because of machine learning,

partially because of like a vague slide

towards populism and authoritarianism in many parts of the world, it doesn't mean we should stop trying.

Today we're talking about the relationship between law enforcement and tech companies, what that relationship looks like in the US and other countries,

and the different ways in which that communication can be politicized.

So Lucas, you sit in a very interesting intersection of law and engineering and technology.

So can you maybe start by just describing what it is you do and what your day-to-day looks like.

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