Lawfare Daily: A Uyghur Forced Labor Protection Act Update
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🗓️ 3 January 2025
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Summary
On today's podcast, Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett is joined by Brian Hoxie to get an update on the Uyghur Forced Labor Protection Act (UFLPA). The legislation was passed in 2021 in response to reports that the Chinese government was committing major human rights abuses against its Uyghur population, including disappearances and forced labor. Three years later, where do things stand?
Hoxie is the director of the Forced Labor Division at U.S. Customs and Border Protection's Office of Trade, which is the office charged with enforcing the law. He explained what the law does, how it's implemented on the ground, and what the U.S. government is doing to combat forced labor.
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| 1:07.7 | with the courage to be disliked. Available in bookshops now. So if you can demonstrate to CBP that you have remediated forced labor conditions in those countries and that |
| 1:11.4 | the workers now have a voice in their production, then they can be reestablished, trade reestablished |
| 1:18.6 | with the United States. So that's something that we're definitely working with Department of Labor |
| 1:21.6 | on. They've been excellent partners in that respect. It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Natalie Orpat, |
| 1:30.1 | executive editor of Lawfare, with Brian Hoxie, |
| 1:35.4 | director of the forced labor division at U.S. Customs and Border Protection's Office of Trade. |
| 1:41.5 | People are using forced labor as defined by the ILO and some of these conditions and vulnerability of people as an economic advantage. |
| 1:44.4 | And I think that sometimes that gets lost in the discussion. |
| 1:48.1 | It probably doesn't get lost on businesses who are competing with companies that are using force labor. |
| 1:53.4 | Today we're talking about the Uyghur Force Labor Protection Act and how his office is working to combat forced labor. |
| 2:00.3 | Okay, so Brian, I've invited you on today to talk about your work, |
| 2:04.8 | managing what are really the front lines with respect to the implementation of the |
| 2:09.5 | Uyghur Force Labor Protection Act, which is, of course, the legislation that was passed in, |
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