Lawfare Archive: Zelensky’s Victory Plan, with Anastasiia Lapatina and Eric Ciaramella
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🗓️ 28 November 2025
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From October 18, 2024: Following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s speech to the Ukrainian Parliament outlining his victory plan, Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina and Eric Ciaramella of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. They talked about the components of the plan, the reaction from the United States and other allies, and what the plan says about the state of Ukraine's war effort.
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| 0:00.0 | Nearly every news alert in 2025 has raised questions, some old, some new, about the law and national security. |
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| 0:52.3 | I'm Isabella Royal, intern at Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare Archive for November 28, 2025. |
| 0:57.1 | This week, Trump administration officials presented a 28-point plan for ending the war in Ukraine. Provision of the plan would compel Ukraine to concede and recognize |
| 1:01.9 | as Russian territory, Luhansk, Crimea, and the entire Donetsk region, as well as limit the Ukrainian |
| 1:07.2 | armed forces to 600,000 personnel. For today's archive, I selected an episode from |
| 1:12.2 | October 18th, 2004, in which Benjamin Wittes, Anastasia Lapitana, and Eric Charimella discussed |
| 1:18.7 | the plan for victory which President Zelensky outlined to Ukraine's parliament last year. The three |
| 1:23.6 | discussed the plan's provisions for Ukrainian NATO membership, the reactions of the U.S. and the West, the likelihood that then-President-elect Trump would support Ukraine's war effort and more. |
| 1:38.0 | It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare, with Anastasia La Patina, Lawfare's Kiev fellow, and Eric Charamella of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. |
| 1:57.4 | No one is really publicly articulating the return to 1991 borders right now. |
| 2:04.9 | And so for the kind of offensive that they want to do with the long-range weapons, |
| 2:09.7 | I don't think we need to mobilize since of thousands of men. |
| 2:13.0 | So maybe this is actually the way out of this problem for the Ukrainian government. |
| 2:26.3 | Following Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky's speech to the Ukrainian parliament outlining his victory plan, we talked about the components of the plan, the reaction from the United States and other allies, |
| 2:33.3 | and what the plan says about the state of Ukraine's war effort. |
| 2:38.8 | So, Nastia, the president of Ukraine, gave a big speech today. |
| 2:44.3 | He announced and talked about the details of his victory plan. |
| 2:51.2 | This is Wednesday, October 16th. |
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