Lawfare Archive: Why the First Amendment Doesn’t Protect Trump’s Jan. 6 Speech
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🗓️ 2 September 2024
⏱️ 47 minutes
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From October 28, 2022: There's been a lot of discussion about whether Donald Trump should be indicted. Lately, that discussion has focused on the documents the FBI seized from Mar-a-lago or the Jan. 6 committee's revelations about his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. But what about his speech on the ellipse on Jan. 6 when he told a crowd of thousands to “fight like hell,” and they went on to attack the Capitol? Isn't that incitement?
Lawfare executive editor Natalie Orpett sat down with Alan Rozenshtein, a senior editor at Lawfare and an associate professor at the University of Minnesota Law School, and Jed Shugerman, a professor at Fordham Law School. Alan and Jed explained the complicated First Amendment jurisprudence protecting political speech, even when it leads to violence, and why they believe that given everything we know now, Trump may in fact be criminally liable. They also reference Alan and Jed’s law review article in Constitutional Commentary, “January 6, Ambiguously Inciting Speech, and the Overt-Acts Solution.”
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| 1:45.5 | for September 2nd, 2024. |
| 1:49.4 | Last week, former President Trump faced a superseding indictment in Special Counsel Jack Smith's January 6th investigation. |
| 1:55.3 | Smith filed the indictment in light of the Supreme Court's presidential immunity ruling, |
| 1:59.5 | which declared that official acts were immune for prosecution. |
| 2:03.2 | For today's archive episode, I picked an episode from October 28, 2022, in which Natalie |
| 2:08.5 | Orpitt sat down with Alan Rosenstein and Judge Sugarman to discuss the complicated First Amendment jurisprudence protecting |
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