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Lawfare Archive: Peter Pomerantsev on the War Against Reality

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🗓️ 10 April 2022

⏱️ 42 minutes

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From December 19, 2019: In this episode of Lawfare's Arbiters of Truth series, Alina Polyakova and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Peter Pomerantsev, a research fellow at the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University and the author of "This is Not Propaganda: Adventures in the War Against Reality." The book explores how the nature of propaganda has shifted as authoritarian governments move from silencing dissent to drowning dissent out with squalls of disinformation. Pomerantsev argues that this transformation traces back to the cynicism and chaos in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, but now it's become all too familiar around the world.

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0:34.3

I'm Katherine Palmpillio with an episode from the LawFair archive for April 10, 2022.

0:45.7

Throughout Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Russia has been producing propaganda on state

0:49.3

media and social media to garner support for the invasion from its people.

0:53.8

Russian President Vladimir Putin even went so far as to sign into law a rule that criminalizes

0:58.2

reporting that contradicts the Russian government's version of events.

1:01.9

For today's archive episode, I picked an episode from December 2019.

1:06.7

In the episode, Alina Pollyukova and Quintet Juressik spoke with Peter Pomorantsev about

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his book entitled, This Is Not Propaganda, Adventures in the War Against Reality.

1:16.5

They discuss Russian propaganda after the fall of the Soviet Union and how the nature of

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propaganda has shifted as authoritarian governments move from silencing dissent to drowning

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dissent with disinformation.

1:32.4

I'm Quintet Juressik and this is the LawFair podcast, December 19, 2019.

1:39.7

Today we're bringing you a new episode from our Arbiter's of Truth series on disinformation

1:44.1

and the run-up to the 2020 election.

1:47.1

This week, Alina Pollyukova and I spoke with Peter Pomorantsev, a research fellow at

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the Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University, and the author of This Is Not Propaganda, Adventures

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in the War Against Reality.

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