Lawfare Archive: Noah Efron on the Awful Quiet of This Moment
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🗓️ 11 October 2025
⏱️ 62 minutes
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From October 10, 2023: This morning, Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes connected with his old friend Noah Efron about the weekend's events in Israel. Noah is a professor at Bar-Ilan University, a prolific essayist and writer, and the host of The Promised Podcast, a podcast on Israeli life, politics, and culture.
In an interview punctuated twice by missile attacks, they discussed what happened over the weekend, the magnitude and horror of the Hamas attack, the impact on Israeli society, and the coming Israeli response in Gaza. They talked about the weird interregnum between the violence over the weekend and the violence that's to come and how quiet things are right now, about whether Israeli society is coming together or whether it is coming apart, about the implications of Hamas holding many hostages for the way the war is going to play out, and more.
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| 1:18.6 | for October 11, 2025. This Tuesday marked the second anniversary of the October 7th Hamas |
| 1:25.1 | attacks against Israel. On Friday, following diplomatic efforts |
| 1:28.8 | and the publication of a peace plan by the Trump administration, the Israeli cabinet ratified |
| 1:33.3 | phase one of a ceasefire deal with Hamas to end two years of hostilities in Gaza and to return |
| 1:38.6 | all remaining Israeli hostages. For today's archive, I picked an episode from October 10th, |
| 1:43.8 | 203, in which Noah Ephron and Benjamin Wittes discussed the scale of the October 7th Hamas attack, its immediate and expected impact on Israeli society, and the Israeli response in Gaza at the time. |
| 1:56.0 | They also discussed whether the attacks would lead Israeli society to come together or pull apart, how Hamas holding |
| 2:01.6 | many hostages would impact the way the war would be fought, and more. |
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| 2:24.1 | 2020. This morning, I woke up and connected with my old friend Noah Ephron about the weekend's |
| 2:33.2 | events in Israel. Noah is a professor at Barilan University. |
| 2:38.6 | He is a prolific essayist and writer, and he is the host of the promised podcast, one of my |
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