Lawfare Archive: 'National Security, Leaks and Freedom of the Press'
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🗓️ 29 March 2025
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From April 22, 2021: Jack Goldsmith sat down with Lee Bollinger, the president of Columbia University, and Geoffrey Stone, the Edward H. Levy Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago Law School, to discuss their new book, "National Security, Leaks and Freedom of the Press: The Pentagon Papers Fifty Years On." They discussed the holding and legacy of the Pentagon Papers case, as well as some of the many challenges of applying the Pentagon Papers regime in the modern digital era that is characterized by massive leaks and a very different press landscape than the one that prevailed in 1971.
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| 1:18.7 | I'm Caroline Cornett, Intern at Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare for March 29, 2025. Earlier this week, the Atlantic published texts from top Trump |
| 1:25.6 | administration officials discussing plans to attack the Houthis in Yemen that were sent in the signal chat to which the Atlantic's editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, was mistakenly added. |
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| 1:48.2 | For today's archive episode, I selected an episode from April 22nd, 2021, |
| 1:54.2 | in which Jack Goldsmith sat down with Lee Bollinger and Joffery Stone to discuss their new book, |
| 1:59.5 | National Security, Leaks, and Freedom of the Press, |
| 2:02.6 | the Pentagon Papers 50 years on. |
| 2:05.6 | They discussed the holding and legacy of the Pentagon Papers case, as well as some of the many challenges of applying the Pentagon Papers regime |
| 2:13.6 | in the modern digital era that is characterized by massive leaks in a very different press landscape than the one that prevailed in 1971. |
| 2:29.0 | I'm Jack Goldsmith, and this is the Lawfare podcast, April 20, 2021. |
| 2:37.2 | I sat down with Lee Bollinger, the president of Columbia University, and Jeffrey Stone, the Edward H. Levy Distinguished Service Professor |
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