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Lawfare Archive: Lynzy Billing on Afghanistan's Zero Unit Night Raids

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🗓️ 7 December 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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From January 24, 2023: In 2019, investigative journalist and photographer Lynzy Billing went to Afghanistan to investigate a very personal story: her own past. In the process, she discovered what she came to call a classified war, one with lines of accountability so obscured that no one had to answer publicly for operations that went wrong.


Lawfare managing editor Tyler McBrien sat down with Lynzy to talk through her four-year investigation, published last month in ProPublica. They discussed Afghanistan's shady Zero Units and their relationship with the CIA, the traumatic ripple effects caused by this lack of accountability, and why the U.S. continues to rely on a strategy of night raids, which Lynzy describes as quick, brutal operations that went wrong far more often than the U.S. has acknowledged. They also discussed why Lynzy decided to tell this story when few others would. 


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0:00.0

Nearly every news alert in 2025 has raised questions, some old, some new, about the law and national security.

0:07.5

And now you get the chance to ask Lawfare directly. It's time for our annual Ask Us Anything Mailbag podcast, an opportunity for you to ask Lawfare this year's most burning questions.

0:18.3

You can submit your question by leaving a voicemail at 202-643-8474.

0:26.5

Or by sending a recording of yourself asking your question to Ask Us Anything Lawfare at gmail.com by December 16th.

0:49.1

I'm Isabella Royal, Internet Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare Archive for December 7, 2025.

0:51.4

Yesterday's archive episode opened with a review of the Trump administration's halt on visa processing for Afghan nationals, citing the need for further vetting after an Afghanisili allegedly shot two National Guard members in D.C., killing one and critically injuring the other.

1:06.0

The suspected shooter, Rahmanullah Lakhanwal, had served in an elite CIA-backed counterterrorism unit in Afghanistan

1:12.5

during the Afghan war before arriving in the U.S. in 2021. For today's archive, I chose an episode

1:18.7

from January 24, 2003, in which Lindsay Billing spoke with Tyler McBrion about the relationship

1:24.3

between Afghanistan's elite zero units and the CIA,

1:33.3

the difficulty of securing accountability for actions taken in a, quote, classified war, end quote,

1:38.0

why U.S. forces and Afghan partners relied heavily on night raids and more. I'm Tyler McBrion, managing editor of Lawfare, and this is the Lawfare podcast, January 24th, 2023.

1:53.4

In 2019, investigative journalist and photographer Lindsay Billing went to Afghanistan to investigate a very personal story, her own past.

2:01.7

In the process, she discovered what she came to call a classified war, one with lines of

2:06.4

accountability so obscured that no one had to answer publicly for operations that went wrong.

2:11.7

I sat down with Lindsay to talk through her sprawling four-year investigation, published

2:15.8

last month in ProPublica.

2:19.3

We discussed Afghanistan's shady zero units and their relationship with the CIA, the traumatic ripple effects caused by this lack

2:24.8

of accountability, and why the U.S. continues to rely on a strategy of night raids, which Lindsay

2:30.0

describes as quick, brutal operations that went wrong far more often than the U.S.

2:34.8

has acknowledged.

2:36.1

We also discussed why Lindsay decided to tell this story when few others would.

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