Lawfare Archive: John Carlin on 'Dawn of the Code War'
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🗓️ 24 July 2021
⏱️ 56 minutes
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From November 24, 2018: John Carlin served as assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s National Security Division from April 2014 to October 2016. In his new book with Garrett Graff, called “Dawn of the Code War: America's Battle Against Russia, China, and the Rising Global Cyber Threat," Carlin explains the cyber conflicts the U.S. faces and how the government fights back. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Carlin last week to talk about the book. They talked about about the FBI and Justice Department’s fight against cyber espionage, about how the Justice Department attributes cyberattacks to the responsible actors, and about Carlin’s experience as FBI director Robert Mueller’s chief of staff.
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| 0:27.2 | and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.2 | This is the LawFair Archive. |
| 0:43.2 | This is LawFair in turn Ajay Sarma with a podcast from the LawFair Archive for July 24, |
| 0:48.8 | 2021. |
| 0:50.6 | Thus far, 2021 has seen a number of high profile incidents in the world of cybersecurity. |
| 0:56.3 | Here this month, the Russian hacking group are evil launched to debilitating ransomware |
| 1:00.4 | attack on Paseya VSA that affect businesses and organizations around the world. |
| 1:06.0 | And at the beginning of this week, the US and its allies accused China of a massive cyber |
| 1:10.8 | espionage campaign, including the Microsoft Exchange Act. |
| 1:15.6 | For today's episode from the archives, I went back to November 2018 when John Carlin |
| 1:20.8 | assisted an attorney general for the Justice Department's National Security Division by April |
| 1:26.5 | 2014 to October 2016, and the current principal deputy associate attorney general sat down |
| 1:32.1 | with LawFair at Durant Chief Ben Wittis. |
| 1:35.0 | They discussed the book Carlin wrote with Garrett Graff, Don of the Code War. |
| 1:39.8 | LawFair listeners will hear Carlin discuss how the US government engages with cyber threats, |
| 1:44.8 | specifically those coming from China and Russia, which allows a better understanding of how |
| 1:49.3 | the US government may respond to some of the more recent attacks. |
| 1:56.3 | John, I'm excited to talk to you about Don of the Code War, but before we turn to that, |
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