Lawfare Archive: Joel Brenner on America the Vulnerable
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🗓️ 14 November 2021
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From February 20, 2012: Joel Brenner, who served as inspector general of the National Security Agency and as the national counterintelligence executive in the DNI's office, joined Jack Goldsmith to discuss his new book, America the Vulnerable: Inside the New Threat Matrix of Digital Espionage, Crime, and Warfare. Benjamin Wittes reviewed the book here.
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| 0:32.6 | I'm Emily Day and this is an episode from the LawFair archives for November 14th 2021. |
| 0:47.2 | There's been a lot of news stories this week relating to espionage, such as the Biden |
| 0:51.0 | Administration Blacklisting Key Companies involved in cyber espionage efforts, including |
| 0:55.9 | the Israeli company NSO Group. |
| 0:58.2 | The company allegedly supplied spyware that had been used by foreign governments to target |
| 1:02.7 | phones of a variety of groups such as political dissidents and human rights activists. |
| 1:07.6 | For this week, I chose an episode from February 20th 2012 in which Joel Brenner discusses |
| 1:12.8 | his new book, America the Vulner Bull Inside the New Threat Matrix of Digital Espionage Crime |
| 1:18.2 | and Warfare, where he outlines the problems posed by cyber vulnerabilities cyber crime |
| 1:23.3 | and cyber espionage. |
| 1:26.3 | Hello and welcome to the LawFair podcast. |
| 1:29.8 | Our subject today is a new book by Joel Brenner entitled America the Vulner Inside the New |
| 1:36.4 | Threat Matrix of Digital Espionage Crime and Warfare. |
| 1:42.2 | Brenner served as the Inspector General of the National Security Agency from 2002 to 2006. |
| 1:49.6 | And after that, as the National Counterintelligence Executive in the Office of the Director of |
| 1:54.9 | National Intelligence from 2006 to 2009, he sat down with Jack Goldsmith to discuss his |
| 2:02.5 | new book this week because of a technical foul-up, the audio quality is a little fuzzy for |
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