Lawfare Archive: Joel Braunold on What Donald Trump's Return Might Mean for the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
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🗓️ 25 January 2026
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From December 6, 2024: For today’s podcast, Lawfare General Counsel and Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Joel Braunold, Managing Director of the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace, for the latest in their series of podcast conversations on aspects of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This time, they focused on what might be one of the most consequential developments in recent memory: Donald Trump’s return to the White House.
They discussed who seems likely to steer policy toward the conflict in the incoming Trump administration, how the approach may differ from Trump’s last stint in the White House, and what it all may mean for Gaza, the West Bank, and the broader region.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Marissa Wong, intern at Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare Archive for January 25, 2006. |
| 0:18.9 | On January 22nd, President Trump inaugurated the Board of Peace at a signing ceremony in Davos, |
| 0:25.4 | Switzerland. The board was originally conceived to oversee the rebuilding of Gaza amid the Israel-Hamas |
| 0:32.0 | war. However, its 11-page charter reveals it has become something far more ambitious, aiming |
| 0:38.6 | to rival the United Nations. |
| 0:41.2 | Trump is set to oversee the initiative, serving as the chairman of the executive board. |
| 0:46.4 | But as key countries such as China and Russia remain non-committal, it is unclear what |
| 0:51.0 | exactly lies ahead for the project. |
| 0:53.3 | For today's archive, I chose an episode from December 6th, 2024, in which Scott Anderson sat down with Joel Bronald, |
| 1:02.3 | managing director of the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace. |
| 1:07.0 | To discuss what Trump's return to the presidency could mean for the war, Gaza, the West Bank, |
| 1:13.4 | and the broader Middle East region. |
| 1:26.6 | The Lawfare podcast, I'm Scott R. Anderson with Joel Brunnell, managing director at the S. Daniel Abraham Center from Middle East Peace. |
| 1:34.6 | What are you going to do? Like, 70% of the country doesn't want you to settle Gaza. So even if the Trump administration's like, go forward and settle, 70% of the country doesn't want you to do that. It's cold. It's winter now. Lots of people need food and aid. Are you really going to take on the entire costs of that yourself? Because the Trump administration isn't going to be paying for it. And the Arab world has told you they'll only pay for it if there's a political pathway forward. Today, we're discussing what Donald Trump's return to the White House may mean for the future of the Israeli-Palestadian conflict. |
| 2:04.4 | So, Joel, the last time we got together for what has now become, I think, a really useful series of podcasts, |
| 2:11.0 | hopefully we'll be able to keep going in the years to come that we have to talk about this stuff. |
| 2:15.9 | You know, we're living in a really different world. |
| 2:18.3 | We were living in the Biden administration, pre-election at that point, a challenging one, |
| 2:22.6 | a situation where the Israeli-Palestinian conflict had skyrocketed, |
| 2:26.7 | probably contrary to the wishes of people in the administration to the front of newspapers |
| 2:30.2 | for the prior year, has consumed a huge amount of political attention and oxygen domestically |
| 2:36.1 | and internationally on a lot of fronts. And now the whole trajectory is potentially changing. |
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