Lawfare Archive: Elizabeth Neumann and Kathleen Belew on White Power Violence

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🗓️ 21 May 2022

⏱️ 58 minutes

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From September 21, 2020: Elizabeth Neumann served as the assistant secretary for threat prevention and security policy at the Department of Homeland Security. She has recently been speaking out about President Trump and, among other things, his failure of leadership with respect to the threat of white supremacist violence. In the course of doing so, she made reference to a book by Kathleen Belew, a historian at the University of Chicago: "Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America," a history of violent white power movements in the modern United States.

Elizabeth and Kathleen joined Benjamin Wittes to discuss the interactions of policy and the history that Belew describes. Why have we underestimated this threat for so long? How has it come to be one of the foremost threats that DHS faces? And what can we do about it, given the First Amendment?

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1:14.0	I'm Katherine Palmpilio with an episode from the LawFair archive for May 21, 2022.
1:20.0	This week, 10 people were killed in a mass shooting in Buffalo, New York.
1:24.0	The racially motivated hate crime, according to authorities,
1:28.0	was allegedly carried out by an 18-year-old white male suspect who is now in police custody.
1:32.0	The shooter reportedly used a gun, etched with racial epithets,
1:36.0	and the names of previous infamous mass shooters.
1:38.0	All 10 victims killed in the attack were black.
1:42.0	Six women and four men ranging from ages 32 to 86.
1:46.0	For today's archive episode, I picked an episode from September 2020.
1:50.0	In the episode, Benjamin Wittis sat down with Elizabeth Newman and Kathleen Ballue
1:56.0	to discuss the history of violent white power movements in the modern United States.
2:08.0	I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast September 21, 2020.
2:14.0	Elizabeth Newman served as the Assistant Secretary for Threat Prevention and Security Policy
2:22.0	at the Department of Homeland Security.
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