Lawfare Archive: Domestic Deployment of the National Guard

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🗓️ 26 May 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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From May 3, 2024: Over the past several years, governors around the country from both political parties have used their respective National Guards for an increasingly unconventional array of domestic missions, ranging from teaching in public schools to regulating immigration at the southern border. To discuss how this trend may impact the National Guard—and our broader democracy, particularly in this pivotal election year—Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson recently sat down with a panel of senior former National Guard and Defense Department officials, including: General Craig McKinley, General Joseph Lengyel, Brigadier General Allyson Solomon, Major General Daryl Bohac, and former Assistant Secretary of Defense Dr. Paul Stockton.

A video recording of the panel is available at https://www.brookings.edu/events/domestic-deployment-of-the-national-guard/.

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0:00.0	The following podcast contains advertising.
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0:46.2	I'm Caroline Quirnet, intern at Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare Archive for May 26, 2025.
0:56.4	Last week, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson confirmed that the department has requested 20,000 National Guard members to assist with emigration enforcement across the United States. Under Title 32, if deployed, the National
1:02.9	Guard units would operate on state rather than federal orders. For today's archive episode,
1:08.2	I selected an episode from May 3rd, 2024, in which Scott R. Anderson
1:13.3	sat down with a panel of senior former National Guard and Defense Department officials,
1:18.2	including General Craig McKinley, General Joseph Langel, Brigadier General Allison Solomon,
1:24.8	Major General Daryl Bohac, and Assistant Secretary of Defense, Dr. Paul Stockton.
1:30.8	They discussed the increasingly common trend of governors and their around the country
1:34.7	using their respective National Guards for an unconventional array of domestic missions,
1:40.6	ranging from teaching in public schools to regulating immigration at the southern border.
1:52.8	I'm Scott Anderson. I'm a fellow here at Brookings and Governance Studies. I'm thrilled to be
1:57.1	moderating an event, this event about a very important topic that is certainly on the front pages these days about this question of state active duty deployments and the use of the National Guard, a new, innovative, and sometimes very politically charged ways that are creeping up in all sorts of quarters of our country and all sorts of policy issues. And we could not ask for a better panel of people
2:18.7	with an absolute wealth of experience to talk about this with. So I'm going to take a minute
2:22.7	to introduce our panelists before we get started. Directly to my left, we have General Craig McKinley,
2:27.4	who served as the 26th Chief of the National Guard Bureau from 2008 to 2012, capstoneing 38 years
2:32.9	of service. In this capacity, he was a military advisor
2:35.8	to the President, the Secretary of Defense, and the National Security Council, and was the
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