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Lawfare Archive: Deterring Russian Cyber Intrusions

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🗓️ 16 October 2021

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

From December 24, 2016: Whatever the President-elect might say on the matter, the question of Russian interference in the presidential election is not going away: calls continue in the Senate for an investigation into the Kremlin's meddling, and the security firm Crowdstrike recently released new information linking one of the two entities responsible for the DNC hack with Russia's military intelligence agency. So how should the United States respond?

In War on the Rocks, Evan Perkoski and Michael Poznansky recently reviewed the possibilities in their piece, "An Eye for an Eye: Deterring Russian Cyber Intrusions." They've also written on this issue before in a previous piece titled "Attribution and Secrecy in Cyber Intrusions." We brought them on the podcast to talk about what deterrence of Russian interference would look like and why it's necessary.

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Also, check out LawFair's other podcast offerings, rational security, chatter, LawFair

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no bull and the aftermath.

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I'm Emily Day and this is an episode from the LawFair archive for October 16, 2021.

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This week, the Biden administration hosted a virtual summit on countering ransomware with

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representatives from over 30 countries.

0:54.2

Notably, Russia was not invited to the meeting.

0:57.1

Some US officials have said that the Russian government tacitly approves a ransomware

1:01.0

attack from Russia-based groups.

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For this week, I chose an episode from December 24, 2016, in which Evan Prakowski and Michael

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Puznansky talk about a piece they had written on Russian cyber intrusions, what deterrence

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of Russian interference would look like and why it is necessary.

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I'm Quintedurusic and this is the LawFair podcast December 24, 2016.

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Though the President-elect continues to deny reports of Russian interference in the

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presidential election, evidence is mounting that Asians linked to the Kremlin hacked and

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leaked Democratic Party information and it effort both to delegitimize American democracy

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and to swing the election toward Donald Trump.

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There's a growing consensus that the United States should respond to this cyber attack,

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but how can it best do so?

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To address this question, we brought Evan Prakowski and Michael Puznansky on the podcast to talk

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