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Lawfare Archive: Asylum-Seekers and the EU Migration Pact

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🗓️ 8 February 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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From April 1, 2024: In early February, the European Union approved a major overhaul of its immigration laws. If approved by EU member states, the pact will drastically curtail the rights of migrants and asylum seekers entering the European Union. It’s part of a trend we’re seeing all over the world, including here in the U.S.  

Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett sat down with Steve Meili, Professor of International Human Rights Law at University of Minnesota Law School. They discussed the EU Pact’s new provisions, why critics are calling them a violation of human rights law, and how asylum and migration law is evolving globally. 

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0:00.0

I'm Marissa Wong, intern at Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare

0:14.0

for February 8, 2006.

0:19.0

In the past year, the Trump administration has fired dozens of immigration court judges and

0:24.5

subsequently recruited new ones to become, quote, deportation judges, unquote.

0:30.1

In brief three to six-week training sessions, top Justice Department Board of Immigration Appeals

0:35.9

judges and executive Office for Immigration

0:38.7

Review leaders are now instructing these new immigration judges to deny asylum for immigrants

0:45.1

in most cases, sometimes even without a hearing.

0:49.0

The push is part of the Trump administration's sweeping detention and deportation policy, which has resulted in the

0:55.4

deportation of 270,000 people at the border, 230,000 people who were arrested inside the United

1:02.6

States, and the detainment of 73,000 people in the past year. For today's archive, I chose an

1:09.9

episode from April 1, 2024, in which Natalie Orpitt

1:15.0

sat down with Steve Miley to discuss the European Union's pact that would drastically curtail

1:20.2

the rights of migrants and asylum seekers entering the EU. They discussed why critics called

1:25.8

the PAC's provisions a violation of human rights law,

1:29.2

how asylum and migration law are evolving around the world, and more.

1:43.6

I'm Natalie Orpat, executive editor of Lawfare, and this is the Lawfare podcast April 1st, 2024.

1:51.0

In early February, the European Union approved a major overhaul of its immigration laws.

1:56.9

If approved by EU member states, the pact will drastically curtail the rights of migrants and asylum seekers entering the European Union.

2:04.6

It's part of a trend we're seeing all over the world, including here in the U.S.

2:08.6

I sat down with Steve Miley, professor of international human rights law at University of Minnesota Law School.

2:14.6

We discussed the EU pact's new provisions, why critics are

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