Law vs. Executive Disorder

The Lincoln Project

Society & Culture, Daily News, News, Politics

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🗓️ 1 July 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Democracy Docket founder and legal legend Marc Elias joins Rick to unpack everything that’s currently going on with the law and the Trump administration. Shedding light on various cases and what’s really going on, Marc Elias shares his breadth of knowledge on the legal lay of the land when it comes to Trump, the Supreme Court, the DOJ, and States’ rights. ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・ Follow Marc Elias ‪@marcelias.bsky.social‬ on Bluesky, and check out Democracy Docket at democracydocket.com. Follow Rick Wilson at @TheRickWilson on X and @therickwilson.bsky.social on Bluesky, and subscribe to his Substack at therickwilson.substack.com. Join the fight with the Lincoln Project at www.lincolnproject.us and follow LP on X at @ProjectLincoln. If you'd like to help us continue our critical work, visit https://action.lincolnproject.us/helplp to make a difference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	you don't lose 64 cases and be good lawyers.
0:05.2	Like, you know, like, you know, you're not really doing a great.
0:09.4	I mean, like, I'm probably above average lawyer, but I didn't win all those cases because I was up against Clarence Darrow on the other side.
0:19.2	Your task will not be an easy one.
0:21.7	Your enemy is well trained, well equipped, and battlehardt.
0:25.6	There is not a liberal America and a conservative America.
0:29.3	There is the United States of America.
0:34.2	Good night and good luck.
0:36.0	Hey, everybody.
0:36.9	Welcome back to the Lincoln Project podcast.
0:38.6	I'm your host this week, as always, actually, Rick Wilson.
0:41.7	I am delighted to be joined today by Mark Elias.
0:44.5	Mark is one of the absolute champions of the legal and institutional pushback against the excesses and insanityes of this administration.
0:54.8	He runs democracy docket.
0:56.3	He is involved in litigation in more places and cases that I could possibly articulate.
1:01.6	I think probably the only people that know how many are Mark and the Trump people he drives insane.
1:06.7	So, Mark, I wanted to welcome to the show today.
1:09.3	And first off, to thank you so much for all the work that you do.
1:11.8	And second, to ask you right off the bat, we have this new decision that is elliptically about the 14th Amendment, but is actually about the process of nationwide injunctions that were slowing down Trump's executive order attempting to overturn it or ignore it. Talk to me about where you see the Supreme Court
1:31.5	heading because I think people sort of, they get like a little glimmer of hope and then it makes
1:35.9	it, they have another decision like this. Talk to me about where you see the Supreme Court
1:39.3	in this process with Trump and his excess of abuse of power. Yeah.
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