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I'm Rebecca LaVoy and this is Crime Riders on the podcast about other podcasts and also about pop culture, true crime journalism and this week we look at the newest network TV true crime mini series.

This one coming with a big brand name law in order true crime the Menendez murders also further updates in the making a murderer legal appeals efforts joining me to get that and a whole lot more done is my true crime co author and real life husband.

The host of these are their stories the law and order podcasts Kevin Flynn.

Nicely done. Very nicely done Kevin. Very nice.

Also with this is journalist true crime author license private investigator former defense investigators certified cat lady and the woman with a nose for news Laura Bricker. Hello Bricks. Hello.

And finally the most positive least wet blanket person in the world at least according to the crime writers on Facebook group.

The brilliant novelist behind the city trilogy the co host of radio free dystopia Toby ball. Hi Toby Vee gay to Rebecca.

All right so Rebecca why am I the one reading all this. Pretending to be me. Yeah. Because I'm sick as a freaking dog and I didn't want to subject our listeners to this voice.

For I don't want to hold a whole lot better than this morning we were thinking we had. Oh God. Yes, but this is difficult and I don't want to subject our listeners to a lot of this but I did want to participate because I really want to talk about all the wigs in the Menendez brother show.

All right well I'm just going to ignore you for most of it. Okay. And that way you can feel how I raise my hand when I want to say something. Yeah and I'll ignore you the way you ignore me when we do that.

Now before we go and I just I want to bring everybody up to date and thank everybody who helped me out for the walk a mile in her shoes. Which adjusted. I just did I just got back.

And I yeah my feet hurt. No I don't have like like actual wounds but my thighs are pretty messed up.

And I thought Laura help me out on this I every year like when I tried to do this walking in the high heels shoes. I never know like heel to toe toe to heel flat. It didn't quite get it and this year I just decided I'm going to start swinging my hips. Like sachet.

I got it kind of got a rhythm going like that and it worked out. You're talking to the wrong person Kevin because I just took the last of my high heels to goodwill this week. Yeah I have amen.

I am all about the clogs and the comfortable shoes so power to you. I mean I did see those snazzy little pink numbers and some very nice socks. Where'd you get the socks?

The ones that say crime writers crime writer. Yes. Yeah. regular crime writer sucks. I got them special from my sister in law Jenny.

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