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The Owen Jones Podcast

Laurence Fox Defeated In Court: Crystal, Who He Targeted, Spills It All

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2024

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

What do you even say. Laurence Fox, actor turned unpleasant right-wing activist, libelled two men as 'paedophiles' after they called him racist. The courts had their say: he lost on all counts.


I speak to drag queen Crystal, who he smeared - who tells us all about the case, and also why it has a much bigger meaning.

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0:00.0

And they say there's no justice in the world. The former actor termed, in my opinion, deeply unpleasant,

0:05.2

viring activist Lawrence Fox, took three people through the courts after he was accused of racism and then he suggested they were pedophiles.

0:19.0

Not a joke, not an exaggeration. One of those was the brilliant iconic

0:23.7

Dracreen, I would say, Kristal, how you doing?

0:26.7

Good, thank you.

0:28.7

Can we just go through this extraordinary episode in the self-inflicted downfall of Lawrence Fox.

0:37.6

What the hell happened in the...

0:39.4

How did this all begin?

0:41.5

So back in October 2020, Lawrence Fox criticized Sainsbury's for a tweet where they were promoting safe spaces and calling for a celebration of Black History Month and

0:56.0

encouraging racist not to shop with them. He he called this a racist practice

0:59.7

so I called him a racist. As a retaliation, he called me a pedophile.

1:06.0

Believe it or not, it took three years to get there,

1:10.0

but the courts decided today that me calling him a racist was not defamatory and him calling me a

1:16.2

Peterfall was. Just before we go through your statement just in terms of what he said because he said the high court that being

1:23.7

accused of racism was a reputation destroying allegation and career ending. He also

1:29.9

for example in talking about this, he said, under cross-examination, I'm just reading

1:35.8

through the Guardian report, Fox suggested there were contexts in which the phrase, I hate

1:39.1

black people, was not racist. He said, if a man is just released from a Ugandan jail where he's been gangwaked by several men and he walks out and he goes, I hate black people, it's sort of an understandable response.

1:49.0

That's whether it was racist to say black people in the UK should go home Fox replied depends on what

1:55.0

contexts just trying to work out what his legal team thought when he was

1:59.5

in the world I have to say that watching him on the stand for three days talk in circles like that

2:06.4

It was one of the most troubling and bizarre experiences of my life. The man is obsessed with creating a very narrow

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