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Welcome to TrustMe, the podcast about cults, extreme belief, and the abusive power from two future rich guys who've actually experienced it. My name is Lola Blong, and I'm making Elizabeth.

And today our guests are yet again, journalist Lauren Mathias and forensic psychologist Dr. John Mathias, host of Hidden a True Crime podcast.

Today is part two of our interview. They are experts on the Chad Debel and Lori Valokase, y'all. They know everything about it.

So today we're going to continue discussing the case, diving deeper into the chronology of the murders, and who carry them out, how the missing children were discovered.

We'll finish the full scope of this tragedy and lots more.

We'll also go on a tangent about the dark triad in psychology, and where the line is between its different personality disorders.

Whether money can breed psychopathy, and Lola's term rich guy syndrome about men who don't ask you anything about yourself.

Which spoiler is most of Los Angeles?

Yes.

Not exactly a spoiler.

Yeah, well, for people who don't live in Los Angeles, it is most people in Los Angeles, but there is a particular extreme kind.

And it is totally not relevant to this episode today, but that is the tangent.

That is the nature of this show. We go on tangent sometimes.

We're just like that.

What can I say?

Are we here? We're there.

Who knows?

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