Osiris.

Welcome to Wheels Off, a show about the messy reality of the creative life. I'm Rhett Miller.

That's when it got wheels off. He started ugly ain't gonna stop.

Oh, she made me feel like a good of places, including college, of all things.

And she opens up about a lot of really great stuff in this, her relationship with spirituality and religion,

her stage fright, her new album, and the trickiness of trying to make the record during the

pandemic, and the sort of growth that has happened for her during the making of the album.

I think it's a really fascinating conversation because she is a very thoughtful person.

She's willing to sit down and really dig in to a lot of subjects that are kind of tricky.

A lot of people will gloss over or ignore

altogether. But Lauren doesn't do that. And I have a feeling that this new record she's

finishing up right now is going to be really great. In the past, she has released EPs and

singles and done shorter form musical stuff, but this is going to be a full album.

She talks about it at length during the interview. She's a really cool perspective on being

a young, evolving songwriter, talks about having a job. She also has a job, job,

which is, it's always interesting to me to talk to someone that's able to straddle the line

between a, you know, sort of a corporate, proper job and then this weird life that

lives in the shadows. And I'm really grateful that I got a chance

to talk to Lauren Cab. So please welcome to Wheels Off, Lauren Kelv. Welcome to Wheels Off,

Lauren Kelv. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to finally

be having a conversation with you. I opened up for you several times now.

And I feel like, you know, just the nature of shows we pack up and things are just, you know, crazy at the end of shows.

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