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The Lawfare Podcast

Laura Rosenberger on Chinese Information Operations

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🗓️ 18 June 2020

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

On this episode of Lawfare's Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Alina Polyakova and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Laura Rosenberger, the director of the Alliance for Securing Democracy and a senior fellow at The German Marshall Fund of the United States. When it comes to information operations, most Americans probably think of Russia as the primary culprit. After all, the memory of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election is still fresh. But over the past year, Chinese information operations have gained prominence with the Chinese Communist Party involved in aggressive online campaigns regarding unrest in Hong Kong and the ongoing pandemic. They talked about how the Chinese government wields information online, how Chinese tactics are different from Russian tactics in the information space and how democracies should respond.

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:34.1

We started to see a couple months ago reports from researchers surfacing that they were

0:40.3

detecting networks of coordinated and an authentic behavior or other kinds of botnets that

0:46.5

were engaging in pro-CCP activities.

0:49.3

So essentially using kind of covert amplification tactics to boost the overt narratives that

0:55.4

we were seeing from Chinese officials and media.

0:59.9

We also saw a report in the New York Times that the intelligence community believed that

1:05.2

Chinese operatives in the US played a role in amplifying false text messages that were

1:09.7

disseminated and finally just late last week Twitter removed 170,000 accounts that were

1:18.3

linked to information operations attributed to China.

1:25.0

According to Jurassic and this is the LawFair podcast, June 18, 2020.

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It's another episode of our Arbitus of Truth series on disinformation.

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This week, Alina Polio-Cova and I spoke with Laura Rosenberger, the director of the Alliance

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for Securing Democracy and a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States.

1:46.8

When it comes to information operations, most Americans probably think of Russia as the

1:51.2

primary culprit.

1:53.2

After all, the memory of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election is still

1:57.7

fresh.

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